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Re: Release Trigger on Compound Bows

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jack30286 wrote:Dan all the compound bows use the same mechanical release, the non compound bows use a finger release.
But as I said, I just tap the mouse and get an instant release anyway, with no perceptible difference in accuracy compared to using the hold and release method. I have all the bows except the cable backed and pulsar and that method works for them all. Is the pulsar different?.
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DanthemanBoone wrote:I think the whole point of the release system on the bows is to simulate the action of releasing a finger held bow string , and has nothing to do with any release trigger mechanism at all.
Yes, but that's not how compounds are supposed to work. Anybody who hunts with one knows you pull a trigger to release the string. It's a more accurate way to shoot. Compound bows have a let off. You can hold them at full draw for long periods. Squeezing the trigger is like shooting a gun.

Traditional bow hunters complain about compound bows. They say they have too many advantages over a recurve or longbow. Which they do. The trigger is just one advantage. It's the same deal with inline muzzleloaders have an advantage over traditional caplock and flintlock muzzleloaders. So, trying to make the compound feel like a traditional bow makes no sense. A release trigger on a bow is a terrible idea.

A quick question Dan. When shooting a walking animal with a compound that's going left to right or right to left. Have you ever hit the animal farther back than where you aimed? Have you looked at the arrow stick out and said...."That's not where I aimed."
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No. No delay at all. Sometimes not allowing enough lead will do it though.
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All bows in the game shoot the arrow as soon as you release after clicking. You can either just click, or you can click and hold. As soon as the button comes up, the arrow is released. As Dan said, it simulates you releasing the arrow that you are holding back.

I always hold the mouse to avoid a bad shot. Just click (with immediate release) can make your mouse move around a bit. But click and hold, and then release a few seconds later, will make the shot much more stable. I am so used to this mechanism now that I found myself clicking and holding on a crossbow, which of course did not work and fired the arrow well off the target.
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HooCairs wrote:All bows in the game shoot the arrow as soon as you release after clicking. You can either just click, or you can click and hold. As soon as the button comes up, the arrow is released. As Dan said, it simulates you releasing the arrow that you are holding back.

I always hold the mouse to avoid a bad shot. Just click (with immediate release) can make your mouse move around a bit. But click and hold, and then release a few seconds later, will make the shot much more stable. I am so used to this mechanism now that I found myself clicking and holding on a crossbow, which of course did not work and fired the arrow well off the target.
Yes, that's how release triggers on a rifle works. It real life compound bows don't shoot that way. The string is released when you pull the trigger. Not when you pull-hold-release. It's something the game does and doesn't simulate real compound bows at all.
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I am really not a specialist with bows, but the last time I shot one, I had to hold the arrow and pull it backwards. When I released it, it flew off. So for me it works.
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HooCairs wrote:I am really not a specialist with bows, but the last time I shot one, I had to hold the arrow and pull it backwards. When I released it, it flew off. So for me it works.
sam here, it work fine when i release it. usually i use that when i try to catch that last goose mission using longbow or last pheasant mission using snakebite :)
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Re: Release Trigger on Compound Bows

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OldMtnMan wrote:
HooCairs wrote:All bows in the game shoot the arrow as soon as you release after clicking. You can either just click, or you can click and hold. As soon as the button comes up, the arrow is released. As Dan said, it simulates you releasing the arrow that you are holding back.

I always hold the mouse to avoid a bad shot. Just click (with immediate release) can make your mouse move around a bit. But click and hold, and then release a few seconds later, will make the shot much more stable. I am so used to this mechanism now that I found myself clicking and holding on a crossbow, which of course did not work and fired the arrow well off the target.
Yes, that's how release triggers on a rifle works. It real life compound bows don't shoot that way. The string is released when you pull the trigger. Not when you pull-hold-release. It's something the game does and doesn't simulate real compound bows at all.
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HooCairs wrote:I am really not a specialist with bows, but the last time I shot one, I had to hold the arrow and pull it backwards. When I released it, it flew off. So for me it works.
You're being stubborn. I'm sure you know what I mean.

Yes, we pull the string and arrow back and when we relax out fingers the string is released. That's on a longbow and recurve. Compound bows are different. On a compound we attach the trigger assembly to the string. It locks onto the string. We then pull it back and hold it. It's easy to hold at full draw because through the pulleys and cables it has a let off. That means on an 80lb bow we aren't holding the full 80lbs at full draw like with a recurve but are only holding about 30lbs. When we are ready to shoot we "Pull" the trigger and it fires. In the game we pull but it doesn't fire until we release the trigger. You may not notice it fires when we release the trigger if you just jab, tap, hit the trigger. I don't squeeze the trigger like that and I notice it's a release trigger. Which is wrong.

Not sure why this is so hard to understand/ If it doesn't affect you it's still wrong for those who it does affect. Like me.

I'll apologize if anybody can find a trigger assembly for compound bows that doesn't fire when the trigger is pulled and not released.
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Re: Release Trigger on Compound Bows

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Went into game and had a look at the release systems on the bows.
The recurve bow is held at full draw with the fingers. so that Should be fired using the hold and release system according to the visual presented in game.

https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipN ... Phf4wDVZKS

The compound bow is held with a trigger mechanism. So that should fire when the mouse button is pressed, Not held (according to the game visual), nor should it need to be tapped to prevent the shot from holding. It should fire like a firearm does in game.

https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipP ... noC0GoWD7k

Problem is, that would mean two separate methods of releasing arrows would have to be coded into the game and the bows separated by type .
The game coding for the bows goes right back to the first bow ever introduced to the game by the original game owners. Subsequent bow additions have just used the same release coding for all bows as the original team established.

We all know the problems changing original coding could present not to mention the problems that many players would have when switching between bow types in game.

However, for those that need to use what they feel is the correct release method, the option is there to use the tap or hold the mouse button when releasing their shot.

Some times in a computer game imagination needs to supersede reality. For myself , simply tapping the mouse button for all bows and firearms solves the problem.
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